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Miniverse Modular vs Laboratory SM Voice
Posted: Mon Oct 28, 2024 7:59 am
by macready
How do they compare with each other soundwise? Sadly I can't compare them myself because I already trialed them. Mark Barton worked on the modular Miniverse as well so is there even a difference between the two?
Re: Miniverse Modular vs Laboratory SM Voice
Posted: Mon Oct 28, 2024 11:02 am
by utdgrant
The Semi-Modular Voice is a big module built up from individual module elements within the MRB Laboratory Collection. It's only available as a monophonic module (whereas MRB's Tiny Voice also has a poly variant).
As MRB himself says: "The Laboratory line gets its name from the design philosophy of ultra-cleanliness. No attempt has been made to imitate a hardware design."
The Laboratory VCF in particular is
quite different in nature from the simulation of the patent Moog Transistor Ladder Filter in Miniverse.
In addition, the Miniverse oscillators have the quirky 'sharktooth' waveform available. The Miniverse Envelopes / Contours also recreate the
'cumulative peak' behaviour, so beloved of Sound on Sound Magazine's Gordon Reid. However, the Miniverse envelopes
do lack a velocity input (unless you patch it together yourself, perhaps with the
Poly Simple Amplifier).
- MM-Cumulative.JPG (25.85 KiB) Viewed 985 times
From a personal point of view, I decided not to buy the Miniverse standalone instrument, as I already owned Arturia's Mini V2 and V3 at the time of its release. However, when the Miniverse Module Bundle was released, I thought it was a great addition to my VM library, especially with the bonus polyphonic variants. So it was pretty much a no-brainer for me.
Re: Miniverse Modular vs Laboratory SM Voice
Posted: Mon Oct 28, 2024 12:22 pm
by Jean d'Oran
And, last not least, Miniverse voltage modular collection is on sale (october surprise) until november the 4th!
Re: Miniverse Modular vs Laboratory SM Voice
Posted: Mon Oct 28, 2024 3:56 pm
by macready
utdgrant wrote: ↑Mon Oct 28, 2024 11:02 am
The Semi-Modular Voice is a big module built up from individual module elements within the MRB Laboratory Collection. It's only available as a monophonic module (whereas MRB's Tiny Voice also has a poly variant).
As MRB himself says: "The Laboratory line gets its name from the design philosophy of ultra-cleanliness. No attempt has been made to imitate a hardware design."
The Laboratory VCF in particular is
quite different in nature from the simulation of the patent Moog Transistor Ladder Filter in Miniverse.
In addition, the Miniverse oscillators have the quirky 'sharktooth' waveform available. The Miniverse Envelopes / Contours also recreate the
'cumulative peak' behaviour, so beloved of Sound on Sound Magazine's Gordon Reid. However, the Miniverse envelopes
do lack a velocity input (unless you patch it together yourself, perhaps with the
Poly Simple Amplifier).
MM-Cumulative.JPG
From a personal point of view, I decided not to buy the Miniverse standalone instrument, as I already owned Arturia's Mini V2 and V3 at the time of its release. However, when the Miniverse Module Bundle was released, I thought it was a great addition to my VM library, especially with the bonus polyphonic variants. So it was pretty much a no-brainer for me.
Hey utdgrant, thank you for the very detailed answer. I didn't know about the design philosophy of the Laboratory synth line and I also didn't notice that it's missing one if the sharktooth waveforms. Very important information. You helped me a lot!
Re: Miniverse Modular vs Laboratory SM Voice
Posted: Mon Oct 28, 2024 4:10 pm
by macready
Jean d'Oran wrote: ↑Mon Oct 28, 2024 12:22 pm
And, last not least, Miniverse voltage modular collection is on sale (october surprise) until november the 4th!
Yes, very tempting
Re: Miniverse Modular vs Laboratory SM Voice
Posted: Mon Oct 28, 2024 7:44 pm
by utdgrant
macready wrote: ↑Mon Oct 28, 2024 3:56 pm
Hey utdgrant, thank you for the very detailed answer. I didn't know about the design philosophy of the Laboratory synth line and I also didn't notice that it's missing one if the sharktooth waveforms.
Actually, I made a boo-boo on the 'sharktooth' wave. It
does exist in both the Laboratory Voice and Semi-Modular modules, labelled "SAWTRI" (at the 12 o'clock position).
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The waveforms aren't identical to look at, but they sound very similar.
- SawTriAndSharktooth.jpg (153.41 KiB) Viewed 928 times
Re: Miniverse Modular vs Laboratory SM Voice
Posted: Tue Oct 29, 2024 6:43 pm
by MRBarton
The SemiModular Voice is a design early in my journey with Cherry. The oscillators and filter are unlike anything I have done since. One day I should be obliged to revisit the code in those early Laboratory modules. If nothing else, I can make them more CPU efficient. I promise I won't change the way they sound. I think my best work in the VM world is Tiny Voice and the Luxury Filter Bundle.
--mb
Re: Miniverse Modular vs Laboratory SM Voice
Posted: Thu Oct 31, 2024 11:34 pm
by Waverley Instruments
MRBarton wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2024 6:43 pmThe SemiModular Voice is a design early in my journey with Cherry.
Hi Mark, sorry to hijack the thread, but would love to know if you used the regular / "consumer" version of VMD when you developed these modules for VM?
Big fan of your work! -Rob @ WI
Re: Miniverse Modular vs Laboratory SM Voice
Posted: Fri Nov 01, 2024 8:32 pm
by MRBarton
Is there another?
Re: Miniverse Modular vs Laboratory SM Voice
Posted: Fri Nov 01, 2024 10:28 pm
by Waverley Instruments
MRBarton wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2024 8:32 pmIs there another?
Truly amazing what can be done with VMD, the SDK and Java. Kudos and thanks to CA.
I'm just finishing up on a module and I know other devs would have laughed if I'd said I was writing it in Java.
Fun fact. A very young me was working for IBM when Java was unveiled. Our team ended up using it to front-end and test some voice recognition stuff. This was my intro to DSP. Nearly 30 years later and I'm making reverb plugins in Java!
-Rob @ WI